Going, going...
No matter how much you resign yourself to the state of
contemporary Britain there’s always a new story waiting just around the corner to
shock you again at just how far we have fallen. Our decline to inevitable catastrophe is something
like how a penny would feel in one of those charity coin funnels. At first it
glides around with such momentum going both up and down that it’s easy to
believe that it will long escape the
hole beneath. But as the funnel narrows and the speed of change becomes ever
more dizzying the final destination is very close and no longer in doubt.
Given the incredible stories we are seeing now on an
almost daily basis the penny that is Britain is now spinning round that last
almost vertical portion of the funnel. Our fall into the black hole below
cannot now be long delayed.
As usual it’s a trivial story unless you’re that guy
at the epicentre. This time that guy is Kenneth Meek, 54, of Livingston in
Scotland. His crime, punishable by up to 7 years in the clink, was to encourage
some online friends to join him in burning an ISIS flag outside a mosque.
How could burning an ISIS flag anywhere in Britain be
considered a crime? Who including the Muslim worshippers could possibly object
to that?
Islamic State (IS) are more evil than the Nazis. That’s
no slip of the keyboard. I’ll say it again for rhetorical effect. IS are more evil than the Nazis. Sure,
the Nazis were far more powerful, better organised and more thorough in their
evil, but level of depravity is not a numbers game. The Nazis very elaborate attempts
to conceal their crimes from the German people show that to some extent they
were ashamed of their evil. IS by contrast glory in the suffering and pain they
inflict. Their only fear seems to be that their sadistic appetites and those of
their millions of avid viewers across the world will eventually be sated. Hence
the daily innovations in gruesome torture and mass murder. IS is the very essence
of evil.
So the question is: Why aren’t Muslims themselves burning
ISIS flags on the steps of their mosques? After all if David Cameron is to be
believed and IS has nothing to do with Islam, surely Muslims should be
incandescent with rage at the terrible damage being done to their faith’s
reputation by these sadistic fiends.
But though Muslims are no strangers to incandescent
rage, they are clearly not offended (so you’d notice) by the bestial mass atrocities
being committed in their name on a daily basis. After all the highest authority
in the Sunni Muslim world, al-Azhar University in Cairo, has even refused tocondemn IS as heretics.
The ruthless truth is, of course, that not only is IS
Islamic, their version of what Theresa May calls “the true faith” is clearly
very popular among ordinary Muslims. So popular in fact that very many more
British Muslims are murdering with IS than are serving in the British Army. And
so popular is it that burning the flag of depraved sadistic murderers in front
of a mosque actually offends Muslims, and so is against the law.
This is the reality of today’s Britain. Because of
mass Muslim immigration we cannot even be united in opposition to the clearest
example of evil that the world has ever known.
That such an unambiguously right thing as the burning
of the flag of evil is against the law indicates just how low we are. Just how
close we now are to that final drop.
It certainly looks grim beyond belief doesn't it? But is your all or nothing image the right one? What does going down the funnel indicate, total frank capitulation to sharia? That's some way off. Sometimes it looks like our population is so apathetic that total subjugation is our eventual fate. There are some causes for hope though...can't think of any offhand but I'm sure there must be some somewhere. Perhaps a better image would be a piece of elastic being stretched ever further until the eventual snap back comes. Or perhaps not...but don't we live in interesting times?
ReplyDeleteThe drop doesn't represent total capitulation to sharia. In view of the current size of the Muslim population as you say that is some way off and hopefully never. In my mind the drop through the hole is the outbreak of a terrorist war like that in Northern Ireland. A war that began with IRA murders, but led to more "loyalist" killings by the mid-1980s. The arrest of Mr Meek is about shutting off criticism of Islam, ie, freedom of speech. Without that freedom the government are leaving those who oppose Islamisation with just one choice: violence. I'd prefer that didn't happen and that we dealt with Islam by merciless criticism and mockery (the way that the Anglican Church was destroyed). In that sense you could say my metaphor of the funnel coin is very similar to yours of the elastic band. I think we are near to the point when it snaps back. That snap back will probably be set off by some other crisis such as another bad recession. Many people think Britain is very far from societal collapse, but the same sort of person thought Greece was doing great back in 2007!
ReplyDeleteYour analogy is absolutely correct.
ReplyDeleteIslamization is a slow, low grade, intellectual and violence driven process. Afghanistan use to be a peaceful Hindu/Buddhist part of a greater India. After the arrival of Muslims all traces of the "indigenous" culture were wiped out.
Political correctness in the UK has become the intellectual opiate of the day. The masses have been stoned out on multicultural BS. And Islam is waiting in the wings to take down one of the worlds greatest civilizations.
The only question is: Do the Brits have the will to survive and do they have enough courage left to do what is necessary?
Long term our culture is superior in almost every quantifiable and unquantifiable parameter. Even the weakness of our self-criticism is an aspect of our strength because we are always striving to improve. There is no question that we will win. In the short term, though, our elites' insane attachment to multiculturalism means we're in for a tough few decades.
DeleteMr. Moloney, judging which group is more evil is overlooking what drives the evil of both, which is the collective conviction that each is/was accomplishing a moral work in the name of God. I also question your assertion that the Nazi's attempt to hide their deeds from the German society is indicative of a sense of shame, and troubled that your allowance of same should somehow take the edge off of the complete evil of their actions. By that same token, since Jihadi John et al parade around in black ski masks, might we assume they, too, are ashamed? I think, rather, that the protests led by a few brave clergy over the discovery of the regimes' program of euthanizing mentally ill people is what prompted the Nazis to keep secret the "final solution"; they would not be moved from proceeding on an unhindered course of action. Besides, for the same reason city dumps exist on the outskirts of the city, surely Germany couldn't be bothered by the continuous, stinking output of smoke and ash from millions of incinerated bodies.
ReplyDeleteThe Nazis were atheist though often with generous doses of ridiculous pagan mysticism, though as you say some did believe that they were behaving in a moral way in killing inferior races. Most, of course, of the concentration camp guards were evil sadists. I did not seek to take any edge off the evil nature of Nazi crimes only to make the point that they were kept secret as Hitler's conversations at the time indicate because he was sure that the German people would be outraged. It was not a few brave priests he was afraid of (the Nazis murdered hundreds of those) but the German people as a whole being roused against his aims. As you are no doubt aware most of the jihadis make no attempt to conceal their appearance. Jihadi John's motives were likely his intention to return to Britain one day. The Nazis's desire to conceal their crimes takes no edge off the evil they committed. But the jihadis evident delight in committing theirs in their centres of population and broadcasting them in endless permutations of gruesome atrocity, in my opinion, indicates a greater evil.
ReplyDeleteAs long as you maintain this is only your opinion, then you are certainly entitled to it, but let us not forget that widespread, open brutality and humiliation was a daily spectacle in German society as well. My point is that they are essentially the same, one is crude the other polished.
DeleteAgain, perpetuating this myth that the Nazis were primarily atheistic, as if the good Christian German nation was suddenly hijacked by an anomalous tyrant, is simply not true. There's just too much evidence against that claim (see quotes below). And so what that they dabbled in mysticism? That's totally in keeping with the Platonic/Orthodox Protestant/Catholic/Kantian/Hegelian philosophy driving the entire ideology: man, the individual, is nothing, and can know nothing. "True knowledge" comes by revelation (hence, resorting to the mystical). Same goes for Buddhism/Hinduism, and Islam (naturally variations apply). It's why ecumenicism works, no matter the obvious cosmetic differences. The common denominator of all is that individual man is nothing; he is beholden to the collective, which is everything. And, trust me, centuries of ingrained church orthodoxy and philosophy made Germany thoroughly ripe as a whole, enabling the ideology to finally become action. Communism is no different; same ideology, only the terminology tweaked for atheist appetites. On second thought, don't take my word for it, read that book I mentioned in our first exchange at the "Fight Islam with Islam" post. This matters because right or left, politics and religion are positively rife with this rhetoric.
Quotes to follow...
“Shame on you...you damned Jews, that you dare to apply this earnest, glorious, comforting word of God so despicably to your mortal, greedy belly...and that you are not ashamed to display your greed so openly. You are not worthy of looking at the outside of the Bible, much less of reading it. You should read only the bible that is found under the sow's tail, and eat and drink the letters that drop from there.” Martin Luther
ReplyDelete“They curse us Goyim. In their synagogues and in their prayers they wish us every misfortune. They rob us of our money and goods through their usury, and they play on us every wicked trick they can. And the worst of it is that they still claim to have done right and well, that is, to have done God a service. And they teach the doing of such things. No pagan ever acted thus: in fact, no one acts thus except the devil himself, or whomever he possesses, as he has possessed the Jews.” Martin Luther
“So we the [German Christians] are even at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem...We [German Christians] are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying and defaming; we protect and shield their synagogues, houses, life and property. In this way we make them lazy and secure and encourage them to fleece us boldly of our money and goods, as well as to mock and deride us, with a view to finally overcoming us, killing us all for such a great sin, and robbing us of all our property...Now tell me whether they do not have every reason to be the enemies of us accursed Goyim, to curse us and to strive for our final, complete and eternal ruin?” Martin Luther
“We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.” official National Socialist Programme aka 25-Point Plan, Point 18
"I thank Providence and my Creator, not for saving my life, but for making it possible for me to endure my cares and pursue the task which my conscience commands me." Adolf Hitler, 7/20/44 Radio Broadcast
"Externally, much has changed. But in our church the word of Christ according to the doctrine of Luther remains...Righteousness, truth and love should guide us, not only at the level of charity but also in the joyful and active struggles for our protestant confession of faith." East Prussian Party Gauleiter Erich Koch
"I held the view that the Nazi idea had to develop from basic Prussian-Protestant attitude and from Luther's unfinished Reformation." Erich Koch, Warsaw court records
Yes I do maintain the essential atheism of the Nazis and I also think that their particular evil was only possible because of that. Hitler was an atheist, but he professed respect for simple people like his mother who believed. Himmler was into pagan mysticism. Goebbels was a cynical atheist. Borman was an atheist. Goring was an atheist, etc, etc...Christianity remained in Germany, of course, and Hitler certainly didn't want to alienate Christians like his mother. Indeed, German Wehrmacht soldiers continued to wear belt buckles stamped with Gott Mit Uns but significantly and true to their atheism the SS did not. And the Nazis tapped into the anti-Semitism which had it's origin in Christian antipathy. But I maintain again that from what I've read of the Nazis private conversations among friends that they were almost to a man anti-Christian atheists.
ReplyDeleteSo, let me get this straight. The German people, thoroughly conditioned on the following points:
ReplyDelete• Anti-Reason (seeded by Platonist Luther), –
“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom… Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.” Martin Luther
• Pro-Authority (as in Philosopher Kings, Human Mediators, Pastoral authority, Hegel’s “Agents of World-Spirit”, who, in spite of their high body count are “exempt from moral judgment”)
• Moral and Patriotic - evidenced by duty, self-sacrifice to the collective, as per Hegel’s “Absolute Right” of the Nation, the standard of value and receiver of sacrifice, and dictated in The German Republic’s Article 163 which says, “Every German is under a moral obligation, without prejudice to his personal liberty, to exercise his mental and physical powers in a such a way as the welfare of the community requires.”
• Anti-Capitalist, as stated by Lutheran representative Pastor Adolf Stoecker, that capitalism is associated with Jewish greed, was evil and incompatible with the Christianity; Catholics belief it is/was a godless system, let alone the plethora of secular, intellectual aversions to same.
• Anti-Semitic - Christian point of view already established
…So much so, that when charismatic man-with-a-mongrel-faith, Adolf Hitler comes on the scene like hand in glove, beating and killing his opposition by the aid of his merry band of henchmen all the way to an absolute dictatorship, where upon he suddenly develops a sensitivity to the people’s opinion on religion, fearing that should he reveal his supposed atheism (contradicted by his outlawing in the spring of 1933 all atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany), he might alienate them, or worse, they might rise up and turn against him? You’re telling me that he and his tight inner circle of a dozen or so confirmed atheists, drove the entire nation already saturated with this ideology to an unforeseen, unwitting conclusion? Is this your position?
There is certainly an anti-reason streak that runs strongly through German life but I don't think we can pin it all on Luther.
ReplyDeleteI think the admiration for authority has more to do with the experiences of a terrible war.
I think most Germans are as ignorant of Article 163 as I am.
The Germans are very anti-capitalist but they share that with most continental Europeans.
The Nazis were atheistic revolutionaries from the start. Hitler toned it down so as not to alienate Christians.
I think we should leave it there because we are never going to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I leave it to our readers to decide between our positions.
Amazing! I'm actually at a loss for words as I sit here in disbelief. Uh...sure, Mr. Moloney.
ReplyDeleteKeep calm, don't disturb the herd, and carry on. I get it.
Interesting dialogue on this topic. It seems fairly common to see placing the blame of evil acts resulting from Atheism, not often do we stop to consider that it may be the result of a flawed or altered Christian doctrine. The argument can be made (and substantiated) that men such as Plato, Kant, Luther, and Calvin among many others altered true biblical meaning, expounding upon scriptures for their own benefit, and men have been using these subtle nuances for the last 1,500 years to perpetuate their several and varied agenda- which is primarily control of the masses.
ReplyDeleteInteresting dialogue on this topic. It seems fairly common to see placing the blame of evil acts as a result from Atheism, not often do we stop to consider that it may be the result of a flawed or altered Christian doctrine. The argument can be made (and substantiated) that men such as Plato, Kant, Luther, and Calvin among many others altered true biblical meaning, expounding upon scriptures for their own benefit, and men have been using these subtle nuances for the last 1,500 years to perpetuate their several and varied agenda- which is primarily control of the masses.
"The Nazis very elaborate attempts to conceal their crimes from the German people show that to some extent they were ashamed of their evil. IS by contrast glory in the suffering and pain they inflict."
Nazi's weren't intentionally hiding their mass murder or any other crimes from the German (Arian) people, rather they were hiding it only from the Jews and German enemies; the Jews so that they could more easily arrest and get them into the camps, and their enemies because of the rightly anticipated backlash of rage against such an inhuman set of values. If they were using elaborate attempts to conceal their crimes, how does one explain the very public mistreatment of Jewish business owners, homeowners, and individuals who were forced to wear Stars of David, Jude on storefronts before those were confiscated, on their clothing, etc.?
From everything I've read and learned about the Nazi's, there seems to be nothing to indicate that they were ashamed of their acts, and by all accounts they too gloried (or perhaps only reveled) in their evil, thinking it a good thing they were doing. The reason these acts were perpetrated by so many 'regular' Germans turned Nazi? They were taught that exterminating another race was good, the will of God- and that Jews were not really people like everyone else. Anyone who believes that they are doing the will of God can be convinced to do almost anything. Anyone who teaches that killing is a good thing is as evil as the one committing the act itself.
Even if they weren't beheading Jews in the streets, they certainly didn't hesitate to put a bullet through the head of anyone who stood against them. And how does one quantify one evil as 'more evil' than another? Evil is evil regardless of the method, victim, or uniform worn by the one carrying it out.